I’m not sure the owner of Teufelsberg would approve if he knew exactly what was going on there. But he’s got bigger fish to fry and so he’s entrusted its care to a third party which, he says, has a “freie Hand” to run tours.
The third party is Berlin Sight Out, which advertises its weekend tours, but keeps its “unofficial” weekday tours on the quiet, particularly after all that unwanted attention it received after thousands turned up for a mega party in August.
Hartmut Gruhl, the Cologne-based architect whose company owns Teufelsberg, was surprised when I told him two guys posing as security demanded money for me to go visit the site.
“They’re lying then,” he said.
But perhaps they weren’t.
It turns out that the two goons who threatened me on Wednesday work for Berlin Sight Out. They just lacked the wherewithal to tell me at the time.
Shalmon Abraham leases the site from Gruhl on behalf of Berlin Sight Out, and he was even able to describe one of the goons, the less-threatening one, who happened to be a friend of his, Ahmed.
“He’s very sweet. He’s certainly no squatter!” he laughed.
I asked him if there was anyone living on the site. He categorically denied it.
“There are only temporary places,” he said. “The squatters moved out last year.”
Gruhl and his business partner, Hanfried Schütte, bought Teufelsberg as an investment for 5.2 million Deutschmark in 1996. But their plans to build apartments, restaurants, a five-star hotel and spy-museum have stalled since for one reason or another.
He appears to have washed his hands of the whole thing while its long-term future remains uncertain.
“I can’t tell you anything about the security or tours at Teufelsberg. That’s all in the hands of a Berliner. He looks after security and has a free hand to do what he wants with tours and that,” he said, before giving me Abraham’s details.
Yet Gruhl was surprised when I told him security guys were demanding money to go look at the ruins.
“That can’t be happening, they’re gone now,” he said, referring to eMGe, the previous security company.
I guess the only reason there’s security at all, seeing as the place is thrashed to shit, is for insurance purposes, to prevent Gruhl and Schütte from liability if anyone was killed or maimed there.
Berlin Sight Out venture makes sure no one wanders around. Visitors have to be accompanied by a guide, or – to put it another way – they have to pay.
I’m not sure if Gruhl and Schütte are liable if the security guys killed or maimed someone.
“We take care of security,” Abraham said. “We can’t have people simply running around. It could lead to problems.”
He pointed out that tours are “much safer” and that “it’s illegal to come through the fence.”
It’s fucking hard too, making it more likely people will cough up the €15 to take part in one of the two-hour tours at weekends.
“During the week we make sure it’s closed,” Abraham said.
Artists are allowed onsite, however, as are people who pay €7 for a “kurze Führung” if at least ten people show up at the gate. The short tours are one hour long, with less information than a proper tour.
Abraham didn’t want them publicized, however. “We don’t advertise them.”
I guess this is why his friend had been demanding money, despite the fact I wasn’t accompanied by nine others and despite not mentioning any tour. The word he used, in fact, was “Eintritt” (admission), which leads me to believe I wasn’t being offered a tour.
Abraham dismissed the notion that any security guards could possibly be pocketing any money for themselves. “Definitely not!”
He said there used to be signs informing visitors of the tours “but these were destroyed. We’ll have to make a new sign so people are more aware.”
I’m not the first to run into problems but Abraham didn’t apologize for his employees who – if we’re being pedantic – assaulted me.
“Security people by their nature are quite often aggressive,” he laughed. “This happens every day ... sometimes it escalates.”
He was much friendlier than his employees, however, evidently keen to avoid further scrutiny after thousands showed up for the party on Aug. 4, when he “underestimated the power of the internet.”
“I’d never seen such a long queue before,” he said, admitting and it led to “a bit of stress” from the authorities.
But he’s within his rights to charge money for bringing visitors around Teufelsberg. The fortified and oft-repaired fence discourages people from conducting their own unaccompanied, impromptu tours. The security too, of course.
The situation might not change for some time, with Teufelsberg’s future still uncertain.
“We don’t know what’s going to happen,” Gruhl said. “Herr Schütte is involved in negotiations with the senate and the district.”
This is Berlin so I think it’s safe to say all boils down to money - for everyone involved.
So there you have it folks. I’m not sure it’s a satisfactory outcome, but we know a bit more than we did before. I’m sure there’ll be more updates to come.
Saturday, 17 November 2012
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It came to me as a big surprise that this is happening at teufesberg. In July 2012 I went there with my girlfriend and we could easily get into the fence and no one asked us anything.
ReplyDeleteWe went for a tour around the whole place and even get up until the top of the tower, along the way we met several people like us on a very laid back atmosphere, so it came as a surprise this lattest happenings, I hope those abandoned places are free (within our own risks) to enter because we had a awesome time over there.
Thanks for the nice post anyways.
Cheers from Brasil.
Thank you so much for this blog. Went to Spreepark last week (though only found your blog last weekend) and can report that it's still okay to go :) We went at like 5/6 in the morning on a weekday and there was no one there. Had a great time. Looking forward to exploring the other places.
ReplyDeleteGlad to hear it! Early morning is always best, but for a night owl like me these early-morning plans never come to fruition. It always sounds great and fine when I'm awake, but until then my body refuses to cooperate. Have fun!
DeleteHello, Hallo!
DeleteSo. I ventured out to Teufelsberg today. Just thought I'd update you on my experiences there as it might prove of some help to potential abandoned Berlin goers :)
I arrived at the top of the hill at 11am this morning (Sunday) with two other adventure buddies. We thought this might be a sneaky time to go... But we weren’t right at all…
There were a few people with dogs, mainly families etc, just one other group of youngsters looking to break in, like us. We walked the entire perimeter of the fence, which actually consists of three fences which run parallel to each other. All are made of barbed wire and metal fencing. The second and third fence appear to have many places in which one can easily get through. However… We spent a good hour looking for a crevice for the first fence, just to break the bloody thing open! But every possible nook, cranny or bird hole had been WELL covered up by yet more metal fencing and prickly barbed wire. Seriously, not one little hole was there at all big enough for anything bigger than an agile rat to get through. After doing a whole loop, we arrived back at the main gate into Teufelsberg (which probably looks like the easiest place to hoist someone over - that is if no-one else is around). Unfortunately, much to our dismay, there were people around…
These 'people' were parked in some shitty looking boyracer car- two young fellas in their early 20s. My German freund got talking to them- and they said they worked there. Their job was to guard the gate from their car. They smoked cigarettes and played on their iphones, like all nice mobsters do. They told us they worked for their ‘boss’ who ‘leased the place from the government’. Therefore, they were running tours- not sure whom through or how- and this was the only way to get in. ‘’The next tour is at 1pm’’, the greasy haired young one said. A mere 8 to 15 Euros per head.
Fuck. That.
So I don’t know who these fellows are, OR if they are ACTUALLY legit.
My advice to you guys wanting to venture out there, go early morning, probably during a week day, with some serious, serious metal pliers. That’s the only way you’ll get in, that is if you don’t want to pay the crims making some dosh off the historical monument that should be protected and available to the public to see, not ‘governed’ by some mob of young boys in untasteful vehicles.
Good luck to you all.
-Chloe
Hey Chloe!
ReplyDeleteDid you read the previous two posts about this?! Sounds like you had the same experience I had, only then I got in touch with the owner and the guy who has a lease to run tours and I came up with the post above which explains everything. Happy reading!
Unless you're happy to fork money out, that's how it looks for now. But things have a habit of changing quickly in Berlin!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for confronting them for those of us who can't & putting the truth out there, the bastards need to go... lets send some bears up there to take care of them!
ReplyDeleteHey, is there a way of getting into contact with the owner ?
ReplyDeleteYes, that's how I got in contact with him, but I'm not going to publish his contact details here.
DeleteI'm a film maker and would love to talk to him about filming there. I can understand if you dont want to post here. my email is maxhink@gmail.com would really appreciate any help you can give me, cheers bud
ReplyDeleteJust sent you an email.
DeleteHello Irishman, great stuff you discover! I am working in the editoriaö team of an up and coming SCIENCE format fot the Austrian TVstation ServusTV. YES, it's a bout Science, about discovering things, making them your own, digging in history etc. besides covering rocket science. We plan to make a 15 minute episode in Berlin in the middle/at the end of april. It would be easy/cheesy to just follow your descriptions - we rather 'conquer' the 'other' Berlin with your guidance. We would appreciate an answer today friday to make first decisions. Cheers mate! > Gerald.benesch@cosmosfactory.at THX!
ReplyDeletethanks for your posts irish..i've made the same experience in the summer of 2012. two primates guarding the gate, beeing dicks, demanding money and giving no information whatsoever. obviosly these guys have the right to shield that sight but still..interesting to hear that the security company was given "freie hand" by the investor. just fishing in the dark here but the first idea that came to my head was: tax evasion. my impression was they would try anything from hindering you from entering the sight but would give in if i would've actually called the police. anyways.. the way those two low lifes run the place is shady and legal trouble with the authorities seems to be their cryptonite. anyone who went up there in 2013 and can report back around here? curious what the current situation is at the moment.
ReplyDeletepost scriptum: i don't mind payin an (accepatble) entrance fee for it is a really cool place but it simply pisses me off having to deal with some mobsters because i`m simply exploring the city i live in
Last week it took place a kind a "rave" inside...
ReplyDelete... but you had to pay 7€ Eintritt. They offered us this "Kurz Führung" as well.
There was also some guys guarding all along the enclousure and repearing any kind of little whole in the fance.
We are intrigued with this situation as well...
Thanks for the posts!!
Salut!!
Some days ago we went with some friends to Teufelsberg. We didn't actually know there was a tour going on. So we went through a hole just because we dind't want to walk until the main entrance. We spended almost 2 hours there. As we were leaving one young german guy "found us" and told us it was forbidden to be there. He was really nice telling us he hated his job. We really understood and were actually willing to make the tour some other day because the place was quite interesting. So we were going out to the main entrance and as we got there they dind't let us out. The "nice german guy" told us they had called the police and that we will have to pay 100 euros for this, and that there were going to be consecuences. We really thought it was a joke or something. The security guy was standing on the door, screaming that the police was coming and acting really aggresive. We were asking them what was going on, that they couldn't keep us trapped there, he started shouting that we shouldn't make him act more aggresive. We were really scared, also because there was no explanations, no one who look normal and quiet to talk to. So we decided to go back to where we came in to go out, because nothing of that made sense to us. As we were WALKING back, the security guy chased us and told again that we shoulnd't make him aggresive. So we decided to stay there and wait. We told them that we wanted to stay there and wait for the police but they wanteed for us to go to the main entrance, which was just ten meters away. So he started pushing us, WOMEN, he pushed us until the main entrance while SINGING. They started to asked us where we were from, while another guy that was there told something like "dont ask that, they dont understand they are sutpid" words like AUSLANDER, Arschloch, came from their mouth. They were not only insulting us, they were humilliating us. And the worse thing is that he stoped pushing me when he saw the police was coming. As we saw the police we coulnd't be happier. We wanted to charge them, but it seemed you have to have bruises to do that. We know we dind't do good to enter in that way, but the way they treated us representing their enterprise was worse and unhuman. We wanted to know if there is other people with the same experience as us.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your story. Very sorry to hear about your bad experience. These people are thugs.
DeleteLet us hope the entire plan for commercial use collapses like the rest did. I heard rumours about it but at least I don't have to bother any longer to check if the stuff people say are true. Been there twice like most people from Berlin - it is a shame that some people try to take that from us.
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